So I quote from Urban Dictionary. “ A lightly derogatory term used for a MMO player who avoids PVP combat”
lmao.. lightly derogatory, Thats no more than me saying you are a blue server player. For that matter I could say a PVE player and have it meaning be lightly derogatory. You are really getting flakey about this one.
sigh
Its ok Tanix I have a feeling we wont see each other on the same server so its cool
Also I dont see anywhere where you countered anything about my saying thoughts on the way they handled balancing by nerfing wizards in pvp. Or were we not discussing that?
Nathos said:
So I quote from Urban Dictionary. “ A lightly derogatory term used for a MMO player who avoids PVP combat”
lmao.. lightly derogatory, Thats no more than me saying you are a blue server player. For that matter I could say a PVE player and have it meaning be lightly derogatory. You are really getting flakey about this one.
/facepalm
Nathos said:
Also I dont see anywhere where you countered anything about my saying thoughts on the way they handled balancing by nerfing wizards in pvp. Or were we not discussing that?
Of course you don't after that previous line of reasoning, I doubt you could see the forest for the trees.
Lets just agree to not converse anymore. I have no desire to attempt reasoning at your evolved level of understanding.
I find this last string of comments quite amusing. Poeple who seem to think language works well when they can make up the definition of terms as they go along baffle me, but that seems to be a trend these days. The term 'Care Bear' for example.. those of us that were there when and where the term was created just look at you that do these things and either have to laugh, or pity the state of what passes for logic these days. Its an insult, was intended to be an insult, has always been intended to be an insult. Deciding to believe otherwise in an effort to feel better about it when insulting someone really doesn't change anything other than to make one seem as though they have little knowledge of what they are speaking of, and just want to sound as though they know more than they do. Thank you for the laugh though :)
Ok..this thread has gone off the rails because someone dosent know how to constructively debate.
Thats fine..but lets get it back on topic please.
Nathos, I have a hard time believeing you know what a "carebear" is but not a "griefer"..but Ill let it go.
I enjoy group pvp , aka "battlegrounds"...but hate solo pvp , aka "arenas"..this is becuase I suck at it...and I readily admit it. Most of us can agree that pve is affected by pvp balancing. It always has, in every game I have played that incorporated both. If VR can figure out a way to seperate the two than Im all for making pvp a priority down the line.
One thing is clear. If VR is internally debating when/how to enact PVP into the game (on specific servers) if they see threads like this where pvp and pve players cant even go half a page without discussing the topic without arguing back and forth, then why make it a priority?
I would love to see pvp and pve realms exist. Ill make characters on both. But im curious to see how they impliment pvp. If its botched up ill stick to my pve realm , no worries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_change
you're welcome guys, now can this thread be about pvp again?
Spluffen said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_change
you're welcome guys, now can this thread be about pvp again?
Not applicable as the most current idiomatic use of the term is still listed as derogatory, an insult (it is the number 1 definiton in the Urban dictionary). Various individuals ignorance of the term is not evidence of such social adjustment, rather it is simply ones ignorance on display. One does not get to redefine a word simply because they didn't originally understand the word they were using.
I seem to recall VR talking about pvp vs. pve balance at some point and that if/when pvp were to be avaliable it would not interfere with or be interfered with by pve balance. That worries me as it sounds like stat checks in pvp would be based off a constant standard rather than take gear etc into account.
Does anyone remember this or did I just make it up in my head? I hope I'm wrong but if anyone can remember it could you point me to somewhere VR discussed it?
Thanks
oneADseven said:I started an FAQ thread awhile ago that may be of interest to you, which can be found here: https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/8530/frequently-asked-questions
It contains a bunch of popular topics that have a range of open/active threads where that topic (or related sub-topics) are already being discussed. Here is the PVP excerpt:
10) Will I be able to PVP in Pantheon?
FAQ Excerpt ( 16.0 Will there be PvP? )
"Pantheon is primarily a PvE (player vs. environment) game. In fact, when we say ‘environment’, we don’t just mean NPCs, but also contending with climates and atmospheres, the very world itself. That said, we understand that a portion of our target audience also enjoys player vs. player. Our experience is that separate PvE and PvP shards is the answer, however it is too early to predict how many PvP shards we would launch with. That being said, we will definitely launch with at least one player vs. player shard. It is also worth mentioning that when we do eventually focus on PvP we will do so such that tweaks and changes to classes and races in order to make PvP more fun will not affect the balance of Pantheon’s PvE experience. As the game grows there could be additional variations of PvP shards and more attention paid to the unique gameplay mechanics associated with PvP."
FAQ Excerpt ( 16.1 Many games struggle to create unique classes because of the balancing issues that PvP creates. How do you prevent PvP from affecting PvE? )
"The issue with balance and PvP vs PvE is not one that is that difficult to solve but it does require planning: you just use different formulas and data - you don't cross your streams. That way, if we need to make Paladins in PvE more powerful, we can do that without disrupting PvP balance. And vice versa."
Aradune Blog Excerpt that touches on PVP (07/17/2017) https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/blogs/151/180/want-went-wrong-wo-w-wo-w-killers-or-a-general-lack-of-guts
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/6005/pvp-players-ideas-for-meaningful-pvp ;; (Open)
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/7781/duel-another-player-on-pve ;; (Open)
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/7150/pv-p-in-pantheon ;; (Open)
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/6656/pantheon-pvp-forum ;; (Open)
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/4791/pv-p-open-or-faction-locked ;; (Open)
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/4395/the-ultimate-decision-pv-e-or-pv-p ;; (Open)
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/3970/pvp-and-guild-war-questions ;; (Open)
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/4381/arena-style-pv-p-spectator-mechanics ;; (Open)
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/4190/anyone-interested-in-pvp ;; (Open)
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/5371/pvp ;; (Closed)
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/5030/pv-p ;; (Closed)
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/4345/why-this-idea-of-different-servers-for-pvp-or-pve ;; (Closed)
Thanks mate :)
Closing this thread now, as they always end up the same, arguing over opinions without checking prior threads/official statements,
Please search for information and discuss it in a mature and reasonable manner or you risk having your post/thread removed or locked.