Sweety said:I'm waiting on the scam video that Kira will do on Pantheon. He's stayed quite on Pantheon, but I think now's a good time to do some investigative journalism.MushyMel said: Cat wait for the Nerdslayer videoOMG, so funny! I didn't even think of this. I guess we can say the glass is half full because at least we will get a new 'Death of a Game' video.
dorotea said:
EQ Live and EQ Next have 100,000 active subscribers? Will wonders never cease?
Sweety said:
dorotea said:
Sweety - you may be right but let us all consider one thing. Will it help or hurt the process to say so?
If there is no hope left we might as well write our contributions off and stop posting. If there still is hope - even if small - we should consider what will make the odds higher and what will make them lower and try to do the former and eschew the latter.
While I agree with your sentiment. I’m past that. I really don’t care anymore. This is going to sound super harsh, but I’ve seen enough that I almost hope it fails at this point. Maybe this can be a lesson to other companies in the future while I wait for EQ3. (Half joking/half serious)
VR said they were fully funded till release. So, either they made very bad decisions or they lied. They can’t have it both ways. Unless someone embezzled money, I don’t want to hear any excuses. I don’t want to give them any remaining hope. My hope is a limited resource. So, my hope will be passed on to anther aspect in my life.
Lastly, I don’t care that I’ve lost a bunch of money. I can afford it. No big deal. I care that I gave them a decade of attention, time and hope. I feel cheated in this way.
Ruinar said:I can live with you not being sure what it will give me in the long run.Sweety said:To be fair, if you truly didn't care any more then you wouldn't be here. It sounds like you want to punish them for wronging you. While I understand the sentiment I am not sure what it's going to give you in the long run.dorotea said: Sweety - you may be right but let us all consider one thing. Will it help or hurt the process to say so? If there is no hope left we might as well write our contributions off and stop posting. If there still is hope - even if small - we should consider what will make the odds higher and what will make them lower and try to do the former and eschew the latter.While I agree with your sentiment. I’m past that. I really don’t care anymore. This is going to sound super harsh, but I’ve seen enough that I almost hope it fails at this point. Maybe this can be a lesson to other companies in the future while I wait for EQ3. (Half joking/half serious) VR said they were fully funded till release. So, either they made very bad decisions or they lied. They can’t have it both ways. Unless someone embezzled money, I don’t want to hear any excuses. I don’t want to give them any remaining hope. My hope is a limited resource. So, my hope will be passed on to anther aspect in my life. Lastly, I don’t care that I’ve lost a bunch of money. I can afford it. No big deal. I care that I gave them a decade of attention, time and hope. I feel cheated in this way.
Sweety said:
100,000 active subscribers disagree.
RedGang said:Ok, the thousands of players and I still disagreeSweety said: 100,000 active subscribers disagree.This is a painfully flawed argument. Ironically, many of those subs are for early progression servers. Secondly, sales != quality but even if they did, WoW still has over 8 million active subs, aka eighty times more than EQ1&2 combined. Cardi B has sold 100 million tracks. GMC is one of the lowest rated car companies in the world and they still manage to sell 1 million cars annually. Even the pet rock sold 1.5 million. The EQ1 stats, AA and interface are still an absolute mess. What are heroic stats up to these days, 255+9000? It's a stretch to even call it an MMO with most players soloing with mercenaries and/or multi-boxing. EQ2 wasn't even good in its prime. You spam 70 buttons and get two out of sync animations for your troubles. Half the classes are completely unnecessary. They literally give free max level characters and still cant get people to play it. These games are an absolute jest.
I may not like Cardi B, but saying she is not a smashing success is ridiculous. 
RedGang said: You spam 70 buttons and get two out of sync animations for your troubles. Half the classes are completely unnecessary. They literally give free max level characters and still cant get people to play it.
I have never heard a more accurate description of EQ2
RedGang said:I mean, they didn't exactly set up a strawman because they never directly contradicted that in your opinion the games are an abomination. They merely pointed out that 100,000 subscribers disagree.Sweety said: Ok, the thousands of players and I still disagreeI called those games abominations, not unprofitable. 3/10 straw man attempt.
Ruinar said:Exactly, I am not arguing the game is the best game on the market today. I love the game, you hate the game. So what? Many people agree with RedGang, many people agree with me. So what? Not sure what we are arguing about anymore, lol. Either way, 247 sucks!RedGang said:I mean, they didn't exactly set up a strawman because they never directly contradicted that in your opinion the games are an abomination. They merely pointed out that 100,000 subscribers disagree.Sweety said: Ok, the thousands of players and I still disagreeI called those games abominations, not unprofitable. 3/10 straw man attempt.
Ruinar said:
I mean, they didn't exactly set up a strawman because they never directly contradicted that in your opinion the games are an abomination. They merely pointed out that 100,000 subscribers disagree.
RedGang said:
Ruinar said:
I mean, they didn't exactly set up a strawman because they never directly contradicted that in your opinion the games are an abomination. They merely pointed out that 100,000 subscribers disagree.
The success of Cardi-B combined with 100,000 subscribers disagree, attempts to refute that EQ live is not successful, a straw man argument I never made. Because it's easier to make a financial case for EQ live, than a gameplay related one.
But if we're going with semantics, i said it was a 3/10 straw man. I never said he was good at it.
