yeah the point here was to see if there was ONE thing that people wanted to just have brought over completely to see what things (often small and odd) that really were things people wanted to have again. I must say, some of the posts here really made me smile and chuckle as they are great (and things I had not thought of).
Started p99 Everquest this week and I haven’t had this much fun in an MMO for a very long time!
Did Crushbone last night with a 10-15 group and it was non-stop pulling, train-locking, experience-exploding fun. It was so much fun that I ended up staying up waaaay later than I had planned and I’m now tired writing this at work. I forgot what it felt like to have group synergy and to have those “edge-of-your-seat” battles that require everyone’s attention and coordination on a consistent pulling basis.
I also forgot that every time you die your spellbar is wiped and you have to re-mem them all again! Or the struggle to buy your spells because you don’t have 40 plat to purchase them all when you ding. Or the clip plane is so low, with no maps, that you have to follow the paths or you get lost and/or die. And no compass!
Here are some things I’d love to see “copied” from EQ:
- Able to buff newbies with high level buffs which also includes twinking
- Fearing the environment and afraid you may never find your corpse. Ever.
- Allow chaos to happen through random agro, pulls, pats, trains
- Appropriate downtime to chat and bond between pulls
- Allow copper to have weight and leaving groups to do bank runs because you’re encumbered (just kidding!)
The Freedom. Buff a mob, sure. Attack a vendor and get killed or kill him, sure. Buff a low level player with high level spells, sure. You name it, you can do it.
Oh, ok it is name one thing but a mixture of a couple of high level mobs in low level areas was very thrilling and it supported to come back one day and kill those damn Griffins!!!
Hidden walls, tradeable items(even after equipped), extravagant spell effects, armor dye(i think it was called Prismatic Dye in EQ), double exp weekends, Stricken By The Gods(when in zone way too high). Someone else said, that little melody when you open trade with a vendor. Yeah lots of good stuff.
Avaen said:Started p99 Everquest this week and I haven’t had this much fun in an MMO for a very long time!
This.
Here's what I would copy:
1) Every single bit of the EQ1 death penalty. Lost exp, deleveling, corpse runs, corpse decay timers...all of it.
If I had more wishes:
2) Insanely rare drops for insanely hard quests. Camping placeholders for 8-12 hours minimum....that's EQ.
3) Instant travel only via other players, only via limited classes, and only available if you have already been there. The druid rings of Velious requiring a tooth should be a thing every port location should have always had for a mechanic.
4) Runspeed buff is from a few select classes, or you camp a rare spawn for a rare drop and get JBoots. Period.
5) Money has weight.
6) No maps, no minimap, Sense Heading and /loc only. Want a cartography skill, get out graph paper and get to mapping, like for real.
Avaen said:Started p99 Everquest this week and I haven’t had this much fun in an MMO for a very long time!
Did Crushbone last night with a 10-15 group and it was non-stop pulling, train-locking, experience-exploding fun. It was so much fun that I ended up staying up waaaay later than I had planned and I’m now tired writing this at work. I forgot what it felt like to have group synergy and to have those “edge-of-your-seat” battles that require everyone’s attention and coordination on a consistent pulling basis.
I also forgot that every time you die your spellbar is wiped and you have to re-mem them all again! Or the struggle to buy your spells because you don’t have 40 plat to purchase them all when you ding. Or the clip plane is so low, with no maps, that you have to follow the paths or you get lost and/or die. And no compass!Here are some things I’d love to see “copied” from EQ:
- Able to buff newbies with high level buffs which also includes twinking
- Fearing the environment and afraid you may never find your corpse. Ever.
- Allow chaos to happen through random agro, pulls, pats, trains
- Appropriate downtime to chat and bond between pulls
- Allow copper to have weight and leaving groups to do bank runs because you’re encumbered (just kidding!)
I love seeing this post from you. And Crushbone brings back sooo many memories!!!
The copper having weight... I remember certain players would come into the dungeons and buy the fine steel items and exchange copper for gold or plat. Of course it would be in their favor and they would make good money!!
DazL said:Some things Id like to see are which were present in EQ classic;
- Languages
Thats something that unless you played orginal EQ would not understand. Especially all the EQ sychophants that seem to dominate the boards here, professing great EQ knowledge, ignoring the fact that they were 3 years old when EQ launched.
You could change your language and anyone that did not know it just saw gibberish. To learn another language you had to converse with someone that did know the language.
It was quite interesting.
That explorative feeling of an unknown world, zones you've never been in or explored, the wonderous spirit of adventure and danger lurking around ever corner.. basically:
"the magic that first grabbed me in EQ and then a rare few other mmo's later on". then the magic stopped... me wants it back.
Nice thoughts guys and gals. For me, it's the Classic EQ community. That's what I would want to bring back. Per the streams, I think it would be hard for the community from then to not see Pantheon as Classic EQ's spiritual successor. It's nice to see the community making their way back - I predict many more to return.
Also is pretty cool to see new people interested in this game.
zewtastic said:DazL said:Some things Id like to see are which were present in EQ classic;
- Languages
Thats something that unless you played orginal EQ would not understand. Especially all the EQ sychophants that seem to dominate the boards here, professing great EQ knowledge, ignoring the fact that they were 3 years old when EQ launched.
You could change your language and anyone that did not know it just saw gibberish. To learn another language you had to converse with someone that did know the language.
It was quite interesting.
Haha yeah, I remember sitting in groups just spamming chat to try and level the languages.
I agree with Nephele. Nothing.
Ok, one thing: The design goal of the requirement to group to gain experience, in dungeons.
Beyond that... Yeah... after playing EQReborn? Ay yi yi. There's nothing I want exactly copied. There's so much of the game that needs fixing. Pretty much every mechanic (in a broad sense), class, spell line, gear, is buggy or broken in some way, no matter how small. :| It's kind of sad to see, honestly, how broken the game is/was compared to a newer title.
While I do not think it necessary to copy exactly from EQ I would like not only the ability but the need to control your agro. Not only with CC but with pulling abilities like pacify and fd. While other games have this I really liked how EQ did it.
Other things I would love to see inspiration from in Pantheon (some of the ideas below I know are planned in Pantheon)
When I said "no" to the question I meant I had no particular requests to make in terms of things thrown in for nostalgia.
I want many game features - ideally with 19 years of improvements in how they work.
I think some nostalgia/easter egg things will also be good and make many of us happy but I have nothing special in mind.
Looking over our shoulder in case some Griffin or dark elf or random mob would come wandering by.
I hope they bring THIS feeling back, an actual dangerous world where almost,, anywhere, anytime, an attacker can show up and happen, not just a bad pull.
dorotea said:When I said "no" to the question I meant I had no particular requests to make in terms of things thrown in for nostalgia.
I want many game features - ideally with 19 years of improvements in how they work.
I think some nostalgia/easter egg things will also be good and make many of us happy but I have nothing special in mind.
Cool Dorotea. I see what you mean. I enjoy reading some of your posts and thoughts.
