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Multi-Quested items?

    • 8 posts
    September 30, 2016 5:22 AM PDT

    Just wondering if multi-questing items will be a thing in Pantheon? I always thought it was cool but also it opens up the door for bigger guilds to just farm stuff and then profit off others.

    • 12 posts
    September 30, 2016 6:22 AM PDT

    I like the oportunities that mq'ing provides me, but was it ever really intended? as long as the items are lore it prevents mass farming to some degree

    Just the other day(on EQ) I picked up a xalrog fang for a friend. Although im not 100% sure that we will be able to mq that, it does demostrate how an argument could be made that it can enchance the social atmosphere of the game to some small degree as well, otherwise it would have just been bought in the EC tunnel if it were droppable.


    This post was edited by bert at September 30, 2016 6:23 AM PDT
    • 1303 posts
    September 30, 2016 7:06 AM PDT
    MQing always seemed like an exploit to me. If the item is no drop it is so for a reason. And when an MQ is an option it provides unbalancing monetary incentive for high level, highly geared and organized groups (or individuals) to consume content that otherwise provides them no benefit. Worse, it provides them incentive to monopolize said content and block others simply to amass wealth.
    • 12 posts
    September 30, 2016 7:18 AM PDT

    I would say(again in relation to EQ) that when it comes to epics, it provides those who might not have a guild an opertunity to get them and for a fairly reasonable and affordable price. There could be other mechanisms built into the game to achieve the same effect. However... perhaps the intend was to bar those who do not joing guilds from getting epics and other end game stuff as this is suppose to be a social game, perhaps standard character progression should not be entirely possible unless you are in a guild capable of raiding nominal content.

    • 12 posts
    September 30, 2016 7:18 AM PDT

    I would say(again in relation to EQ) that when it comes to epics, it provides those who might not have a guild an opertunity to get them and for a fairly reasonable and affordable price. There could be other mechanisms built into the game to achieve the same effect. However... perhaps the intend was to bar those who do not joing guilds from getting epics and other end game stuff as this is suppose to be a social game, perhaps standard character progression should not be entirely possible unless you are in a guild capable of raiding nominal content.

    • 1584 posts
    September 30, 2016 7:20 AM PDT

    Feyshtey said: MQing always seemed like an exploit to me. If the item is no drop it is so for a reason. And when an MQ is an option it provides unbalancing monetary incentive for high level, highly geared and organized groups (or individuals) to consume content that otherwise provides them no benefit. Worse, it provides them incentive to monopolize said content and block others simply to amass wealth.

     

    Well put i say if they are going to do long term- multi quests to get a item you want you could simple have the quest giver give you an container you have to fill rather it be a tome for clerics or a bloodied bag for rogues, and than you go oit and collect the items you need and once done you click combine on the bag and turn it back in to whom ever needs it to continue the quest.  and since you need to putt he items in the bag it pervents MQing becuase it has to be in your inventory, and it stop the other people from farming it since they can't make any profit off of it, unless they are helping a friend of there's switch there nothing wrong with that.

    • 1584 posts
    September 30, 2016 7:25 AM PDT

    bert said:

    I would say(again in relation to EQ) that when it comes to epics, it provides those who might not have a guild an opertunity to get them and for a fairly reasonable and affordable price. There could be other mechanisms built into the game to achieve the same effect. However... perhaps the intend was to bar those who do not joing guilds from getting epics and other end game stuff as this is suppose to be a social game, perhaps standard character progression should not be entirely possible unless you are in a guild capable of raiding nominal content.

    If you talking about Epics in this i would say by the end of it there should be very few people who have it before the next xpac........or why would it be epic if almost everyone has it?  It loses it appeal if it were that easily obtained, I understand that you might want this epic but i also know that you should work harder than the others if you want it before they do, said guild organization, raiding, farming camps that become bottle necks, faction grinding, which results in other quests or killing mobs to raise faction, there tons of things that should have to be done to obtain this items your talking about or there wouldn't be anything epic about it.

    • 1303 posts
    September 30, 2016 7:48 AM PDT
    @bert
    The obvious intent of no drop items on high end bosses is to FORCE players to cooperate in order to achieve certain things. So yes, to your suggestion, you should be required to join raids/guilds and be a team member to reap certain rewards.
    • 180 posts
    September 30, 2016 11:14 AM PDT

    If you are going to allow multi questing, then why not just make the items tradable?

    • 1281 posts
    September 30, 2016 11:16 AM PDT

    Feyshtey said: MQing always seemed like an exploit to me. If the item is no drop it is so for a reason. And when an MQ is an option it provides unbalancing monetary incentive for high level, highly geared and organized groups (or individuals) to consume content that otherwise provides them no benefit. Worse, it provides them incentive to monopolize said content and block others simply to amass wealth.

    P1999 has an issue with people who literally farm and MQ epics (Rogue and Cleric). It's an issue.

    • 668 posts
    September 30, 2016 12:34 PM PDT

    I would not like to see MQ'ing available in Pantheon.  I would like to believe a character will have a long, meaningful journey in Pantheon, and simply getting a key piece from somebody else to bypass a part of the journey does not make sense.

    • 12 posts
    January 24, 2017 7:30 AM PST

    After more consideration on this it seems that Soe support continued to addressed and augmented  multiple questing in eq1. This can be seen in patch notes on many occasions. There are uses for this function in a game like eq1 that are beneficial to the game as a whole, especially when it comes to riading. Pantheon, may not share these similarities or may decide to make it easier by making more things droppable


    This post was edited by bert at January 24, 2017 7:33 AM PST
    • 2752 posts
    January 24, 2017 10:34 AM PST

    No MQing please. Too much potential to lock down certain drops and charge access for them.

    • 780 posts
    January 24, 2017 10:46 AM PST

    Doesn't seem like it was intended to work out the way it did in EverQuest.  I wouldn't want the team to intentionally set things up that way in PRF.  If they want quest pieces to be obtainable like that, then just let them be tradeable. 

    • 1281 posts
    January 25, 2017 12:20 PM PST

    The quest system of Pantheon will likely be significantly more sophisticated than EverQuest's quest system which is very basic. I highly doubt MQ will be possible in Pantheon.


    This post was edited by bigdogchris at January 25, 2017 12:20 PM PST
    • 15 posts
    January 25, 2017 12:45 PM PST

    daserack said:

    Just wondering if multi-questing items will be a thing in Pantheon? I always thought it was cool but also it opens up the door for bigger guilds to just farm stuff and then profit off others.

    I feel like MQing was a way for people to camp quest mobs and make a profit for no drop items that were a story part of a quest or the mob had some meaning. I believe especially with pantheon being more "RPG" than EQ was, MQing will be out the door.

    • 556 posts
    January 25, 2017 1:59 PM PST

    Definitely a no to MQing from me. 

    • 2886 posts
    January 27, 2017 4:11 AM PST

    I'd be willing to bet a large amount of money that MQing won't be an intended feature in Pantheon. It was an exploit due to primitive quest mechanics in an antiquated game. Therefore, it would make 0 sense for VR to plan on including this in their next generation.

    • 1921 posts
    January 27, 2017 8:43 AM PST

    Just so people understand the plague that this has become in EQ1:

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    [Thu Nov 03 22:27:45 2016] Innate tells General:1, 'WTS Journeyman's BootsMQ PST'
    [Thu Nov 03 22:27:49 2016] Innate shouts, 'WTS Journeyman's BootsMQ PST'
    [Thu Nov 03 22:31:36 2016] Innate tells General:1, 'WTS Journeyman's BootsMQ PST'
    [Thu Nov 03 22:39:32 2016] Innate tells General:1, 'WTS Journeyman's BootsMQ PST'
    [Thu Nov 03 23:00:23 2016] Innate tells General:1, 'WTS Journeyman's BootsMQ PST'
    [Fri Nov 04 18:36:02 2016] Ruul tells General:1, 'WTB MQ Pulsing Green Stone MQ, pst with price'
    [Fri Nov 04 18:40:59 2016] Ruul tells General:1, 'WTB MQ Pulsing Green Stone MQ, pst with price'
    [Fri Nov 04 18:47:55 2016] Ruul tells General:1, 'WTB MQ Pulsing Green Stone MQ, pst with price'
    [Sat Nov 05 22:46:37 2016] Darafayen tells General:1, 'anyone have a Black Silk Cape MQ?'
    [Sat Nov 05 22:50:49 2016] Darafayen tells General:1, 'anyone have a Black Silk Cape MQ? for necro epic from POSKY'
    [Tue Nov 08 07:20:25 2016] Krieg tells General:3, 'WTS Rogue Epic MQ'
    [Tue Nov 08 09:56:45 2016] Natalina auctions, 'WTB quillmane cloak MQ 2kr'
    [Wed Nov 09 10:55:18 2016] Tasine tells General:1, 'WTB Undead Dragongut Strings MQ pst'
    [Thu Nov 10 13:53:47 2016] Pottzy auctions, 'WTB head of Skargus MQ, for Regal band of bathezid quest.  PM me / Also WTB Red dragon scale'
    [Fri Nov 11 09:16:18 2016] Jiraiya auctions, 'WTB ranger epic MQ pst'
    [Sun Nov 13 22:26:26 2016] Superfriend tells Luclin:4, 'SELLING MAGE EPIC MQ PST'
    [Mon Nov 14 10:03:54 2016] Tasine auctions, 'WTB Undead Dragongut Strings MQ pst'
    [Mon Nov 14 16:27:59 2016] Letsget tells Luclin:2, 'WTB Shaman Epic MQ'
    [Mon Nov 14 20:56:29 2016] Vicart tells General:1, 'wtb Pulsing Green Stone and Swirling Sphere MQ'
    [Mon Nov 14 21:15:07 2016] Galaktus tells General:1, 'WTB Chardok pipe MQ PST'
    [Tue Nov 15 22:41:39 2016] Carter says out of character, 'wtb mainsi herb MQ please 1kr'
    [Wed Nov 16 16:05:16 2016] Famigo tells General:1, 'wtb thurg bp MQ pst'
    [Fri Nov 18 18:20:00 2016] Clergy auctions, 'WTS Full Cleric Epic MQ.  PST For Details. WTS Danl's Reference (Immortals) MQ.  WTS Girdle of Rapidity'
    [Fri Nov 18 18:26:11 2016] Clergy auctions, 'WTS Full Cleric Epic MQ.  PST For Details. WTS Danl's Reference (Immortals) MQ.  WTS Girdle of Rapidity'
    [Sat Nov 19 08:30:22 2016] Dakkith tells General:1, 'WTB Chardok Metal Pipe MQ'
    [Sat Nov 19 08:50:00 2016] Madden tells General:1, 'Anyone selling a Pulsing Green Stone for MQ?'
    [Sat Nov 19 09:02:25 2016] Madden tells General:1, 'Anyone selling a Pulsing Green Stone for MQ?'
    [Sat Nov 19 17:10:48 2016] Goodtouch auctions, 'WTS MQ Cloak of Spiroc Feathers (for necro epic) pst'
    [Sat Nov 19 17:15:00 2016] Atermis tells General:1, 'WTS Singed Scroll MQ (for cleric epic) - PST'
    [Sat Nov 19 17:48:11 2016] Atermis tells General:1, 'WTS Ancient Blade MQ (warrior) & Singed Scroll MQ (cleric epic) - PST'
    [Sat Nov 19 17:48:54 2016] Nutbar tells General:1, 'you can't MQ Ancient Blade'
    [Sat Nov 19 18:02:33 2016] Atermis tells General:1, 'selling Singed Scroll MQ - 1 krono - PST'
    [Sat Nov 19 18:37:57 2016] Tripson tells General:1, 'WTB MQ of Pulsing Green Stone'
    [Sat Nov 19 19:30:24 2016] Jeffy tells General:1, 'WTS Flayed Barbarian Skin Leggings, Amulet of Necropotence, Wrist Guard of Thunder *** TRAK GUTS MQ BARD EPIC*** PST'
    [Sat Nov 19 19:49:35 2016] Jeffy tells General:1, 'WTS Flayed Barbarian Skin Leggings, Amulet of Necropotence, Wrist Guard of Thunder *** TRAK GUTS MQ BARD EPIC*** PST'
    [Sat Nov 19 20:48:05 2016] Tripson tells General:1, 'WTB Pulsing Green Stone MQ'
    [Sat Nov 19 20:55:29 2016] Jeffy tells General:1, 'WTS Flayed Barbarian Skin Leggings, Amulet of Necropotence, Wrist Guard of Thunder *** TRAK GUTS MQ BARD EPIC*** PST'
    [Sat Nov 19 21:25:18 2016] Wize tells Wizard:2, 'is the wizard epic MQable?'
    [Sat Nov 19 21:26:31 2016] Chica tells Wizard:2, 'yes and no. you have to have 1 of the 3 staffs to MQ'
    [Sat Nov 19 22:30:02 2016] Rayvenn tells Luclin:4, 'WTS Monk Epic MQ, Shaman Epic MQ'
    [Sat Nov 19 22:54:57 2016] Rayvenn tells Luclin:4, 'WTS Monk Epic MQ, Shaman Epic MQ'
    [Sun Nov 20 08:44:15 2016] Bolly auctions, 'WTB Blazing Wand MQ'
    [Sun Nov 20 15:18:01 2016] Anasthetic auctions, 'LF Manisi Herb MQ pst'
    [Sun Nov 20 15:29:47 2016] Satriani auctions, 'WTS MQ of Torn, Burnt Book'
    [Tue Nov 22 09:23:52 2016] Madden tells General:1, 'WTB Green Pulsing Stone MQ, pst'
    [Tue Nov 22 09:29:10 2016] Madden tells General:1, 'WTB Green Pulsing Stone MQ, pst'
    [Tue Nov 22 09:43:53 2016] Madden tells General:1, 'WTB Green Pulsing Stone MQ, pst'
    [Tue Nov 22 10:47:54 2016] Madden tells General:1, 'WTB Green Pulsing Stone MQ, pst'
    [Tue Nov 22 11:33:44 2016] Floormat tells General:1, 'WTB MQ - Staff of Elemental Mastery: Water'
    [Tue Nov 22 11:58:14 2016] Floormat tells General:1, 'WTB MQ - Staff of Elemental Mastery: Water'
    [Tue Nov 22 12:14:00 2016] Floormat tells General:1, 'WTB MQ - Staff of Elemental Mastery: Water'
    [Tue Nov 22 12:23:45 2016] Famigo tells General:1, 'wtb cleric thurg bp MQ pst'
    [Tue Nov 22 12:23:58 2016] Cereclere tells General:1, 'What's that worth for an MQ ?Kedge Backbone'
    [Tue Nov 22 12:30:49 2016] Floormat tells General:1, 'WTB MQ - Staff of Elemental Mastery: Water'
    [Tue Nov 22 12:44:46 2016] Floormat tells General:1, 'WTB MQ - Staff of Elemental Mastery: Water'
    [Tue Nov 22 12:54:54 2016] Ehff tells General:1, 'WTB: Monk Epic Pipe MQs - PST'
    [Tue Nov 22 13:07:55 2016] Famigo tells General:1, 'wtb cleric thurg bp MQ pst'
    [Tue Nov 22 13:17:12 2016] Famigo tells General:1, 'wtb cleric thurg bp MQ pst'
    [Wed Nov 23 11:25:42 2016] Mawltar auctions, 'WTB JBoots MQ'
    [Wed Nov 23 11:28:35 2016] Mawltar tells Luclin:3, 'WTB JBoots MQ'
    [Fri Nov 25 09:40:21 2016] Froogle tells General:1, 'WTB Hate Book MQ PST'
    [Fri Nov 25 15:47:00 2016] Rayvenn tells Luclin:3, 'WTS Monk Epic MQ, Shaman Epic MQ, Cleric Epic MQ'
    [Fri Nov 25 16:18:05 2016] Rayvenn tells Luclin:3, 'WTS Monk Epic MQ, Shaman Epic MQ, Cleric Epic MQ'
    [Fri Nov 25 16:28:38 2016] Rayvenn tells Luclin:3, 'WTS Monk Epic MQ, Shaman Epic MQ, Cleric Epic MQ'
    [Sat Nov 26 17:04:24 2016] Grimwolf tells Luclin:3, 'WTS: MQ Staff of Elemental Mastery: Earth pst'
    [Sat Nov 26 17:42:57 2016] Mazikeen auctions, 'WTS MQ Necro epic piece Cloak of Spiroc Feathers (have a porter available too)'
    [Sat Nov 26 19:17:38 2016] Dolorr tells General:1, 'WTB Pulsing Green Stone MQ - Paying Well'
    [Sat Nov 26 19:48:43 2016] Dolorr tells General:1, 'WTB Pulsing Green Stone MQ - Paying Well'
    [Sat Nov 26 20:03:36 2016] Dolorr tells General:1, 'WTB Pulsing Green Stone MQ - Paying Well'
    [Sat Nov 26 20:17:45 2016] Dolorr tells General:1, 'WTB Pulsing Green Stone MQ - Paying Well'
    [Sat Nov 26 20:43:48 2016] Dolorr tells General:1, 'WTB Pulsing Green Stone MQ - Paying Well'
    [Sat Nov 26 21:10:01 2016] Dolorr tells General:1, 'WTB Pulsing Green Stone MQ - Paying Well'
    [Sun Nov 27 09:04:20 2016] Metro auctions, 'WTS Spirit Wracked Cord MQ - you just need cdok faction and sinew. I have Regal Band of Bathezid & Spirit Wracked Urn (you also receive ring with the cord)'
    ---
    [Tue Nov 29 08:05:01 2016] Corbinn tells Luclin:3, 'WTS MQ Staff of Elemental Mastery: Water - mage epic staff from phinny'
    [Tue Nov 29 08:55:14 2016] Corbinn tells Luclin:3, 'WTS MQ Staff of Elemental Mastery: Water - mage epic staff from phinny'
    [Tue Nov 29 08:55:31 2016] Corbinn says out of character, 'WTS MQ Staff of Elemental Mastery: Water - mage epic staff from phinny'
    [Tue Nov 29 17:03:46 2016] Corbinn tells Luclin:3, 'WTS Staff of Elemental Mastery: Water mage epic MQ'
    [Tue Nov 29 17:11:03 2016] Jiraiya tells Luclin:4, 'WTB shattered emerald of corruption MQ pst'
    [Tue Nov 29 17:24:21 2016] Jiraiya tells Luclin:3, 'WTB shattered emerald of corruption MQ pst'
    [Tue Nov 29 19:48:59 2016] Elcid tells Wizard:2, 'Selling MQ Blue Crystal Staff! Taking offers!'
    [Tue Nov 29 19:55:54 2016] Elcid tells Wizard:2, 'Selling Blue Crystal Staff MQ! Taking offers!'
    [Tue Nov 29 20:02:35 2016] Elcid tells Wizard:2, 'Selling Blue Crystal Staff MQ! Taking offers!'
    [Tue Nov 29 20:37:17 2016] Elcid tells Wizard:2, 'WTS Blue Crystal Staff MQ! Taking offers!'
    [Tue Nov 29 21:50:49 2016] Elcid tells Wizard:2, 'ANyone know if Blue Crystal Staff requires faction to MQ?'
    [Wed Nov 30 09:30:24 2016] Corbinn tells Luclin:3, 'WTS Staff of Elemental Mastery: Water mage epic MQ - 3 krono'
    [Wed Nov 30 09:31:30 2016] Corbinn tells Luclin:3, 'WTS Pegasus Feather Cloak MQ mage epic - 3 krono'
    [Wed Nov 30 17:47:53 2016] Sena auctions, 'Selling Robe of the Lost Circle MQ turn in'
    [Thu Dec 01 21:14:41 2016] Faddun tells Velious:2, 'WTS MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity with Shard of the Heart/Shard of the Eye/etc.  Must have reports finished and atleast 1 shard to be eligible for mq.  PST for details if interested'
    [Thu Dec 01 21:27:59 2016] Faddun tells Velious:2, 'WTS MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity with Shard of the Heart/Shard of the Eye/etc.  Must have reports finished and atleast 1 shard to be eligible for mq.  PST for details if interested'
    [Thu Dec 01 21:59:54 2016] Faddun tells Velious:2, 'WTS MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity with Shard of the Heart/Shard of the Eye/etc.  Must have reports finished and atleast 1 shard to be eligible for mq.  PST for details if interested'
    [Thu Dec 01 22:32:42 2016] Faddun tells Velious:2, 'WTS MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity with Shard of the Heart/Shard of the Eye/etc.  Must have reports finished and atleast 1 shard to be eligible for mq.  PST for details if interested'
    [Thu Dec 01 22:34:50 2016] Gandharva auctions, 'WTB Shard of the Heart - Shard of the Eye LR or MQ ( Paying 2krono for each or Paying 5krono for both)'
    [Fri Dec 02 16:35:13 2016] Faddun tells Luclin:2, 'WTS MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity with Shard of the Eye/Shard of the Heart/Shard of the Shoulder/etc. Must have reports finished and at least 1 shard PST for more details!'
    [Fri Dec 02 17:02:33 2016] Faddun tells Luclin:2, 'WTS MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity with Shard of the Eye/Shard of the Heart/Shard of the Shoulder/etc. Must have reports finished and at least 1 shard PST for more details!'
    [Sat Dec 03 20:19:46 2016] Gandharva tells Luclin:1, 'WTB Shard of the Eye, Heart LR or MQ'
    [Sat Dec 03 20:30:29 2016] Gandharva tells Luclin:1, 'WTB Shard of the Eye, Heart --- LR or MQ'
    [Sat Dec 03 20:36:33 2016] Gandharva tells Luclin:1, 'WTB Shard of the Eye, Heart --- LR or MQ'
    [Sat Dec 03 20:43:03 2016] Gandharva tells Luclin:1, 'WTB Shard of the Eye, Heart --- LR or MQ'
    [Sat Dec 03 20:46:56 2016] Gandharva tells Luclin:1, 'WTB Shard of the Eye, Heart --- LR or MQ'
    [Sat Dec 03 20:58:01 2016] Gandharva tells Luclin:1, 'WTB Shard of the Eye, Heart --- LR or MQ'
    [Sat Dec 03 21:02:42 2016] Gandharva tells Luclin:1, 'WTB Shard of the Eye, Heart --- LR or MQ'
    [Sat Dec 03 21:08:26 2016] Gandharva tells Luclin:1, 'WTB Shard of the Eye, Heart --- LR or MQ'
    [Sat Dec 03 21:11:21 2016] Gandharva tells Luclin:1, 'WTB Shard of the Eye, Heart --- LR or MQ'
    [Sat Dec 03 21:36:34 2016] Gandharva tells Luclin:2, 'WTB Shard of the Eye, Heart --- LR or MQ'
    [Sat Dec 03 22:40:24 2016] Faddun tells Antonica:2, 'WTS MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity and Arx Key with Shard of the Heart/Shard of the Shoulder/etc. must have at least one shard to be eligible.  PST for more details!'
    [Sat Dec 03 22:52:30 2016] Faddun tells Antonica:2, 'WTS MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity and Arx Key with Shard of the Heart/Shard of the Shoulder/etc. must have at least one shard to be eligible.  PST for more details!'
    [Sun Dec 04 16:01:28 2016] Dotcelot says out of character, 'how much does a metal pipe MQ go for?'
    [Mon Dec 05 08:53:35 2016] Faddun tells General:1, 'WTS MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity and/or Arx Key with Shard of the Hand/Shard of the Shoulder/Head of the Inquisitor/etc. PST for more details on MQ options (LIMITED SUPPLY LEFT)!'
    [Mon Dec 05 08:53:38 2016] Faddun tells Luclin:3, 'WTS MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity and/or Arx Key with Shard of the Hand/Shard of the Shoulder/Head of the Inquisitor/etc. PST for more details on MQ options (LIMITED SUPPLY LEFT)!'
    [Mon Dec 05 10:02:04 2016] Krieg tells General:1, 'WTS Rogue Epic MQ'
    [Mon Dec 05 10:45:11 2016] Wiglely tells General:1, 'wts MQ to full set of Enc TOV/Skyshrine quest armor. Illusionist's Robe (7 pieces).  you mut have max cov faction and the gems - 6 krono'
    [Mon Dec 05 10:47:28 2016] Slayerblarp tells General:1, 'whats keal armor MQ go for leather Legs and bp?'
    [Mon Dec 05 13:05:40 2016] Krieg tells General:2, 'WTS Rogue Epic MQ'
    [Mon Dec 05 13:22:52 2016] Shawnmichaels says out of character, 'and the epic isnt hard at all i finish MQ's in 2-3 days max '
    [Mon Dec 05 13:29:23 2016] Wiglely tells Luclin:1, 'wts MQ to full set of Enc TOV/Skyshrine quest armor. Illusionist's Robe (7 pieces).  you mut have max cov faction and the gems - 6 krono'
    [Mon Dec 05 13:41:54 2016] Faddun tells Luclin:1, 'WTS MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity and/or Arx Key with Shard of the Hand/Shard of the Shoulder/Head of the Inquisitor/etc. PST for more details on MQ options (LIMITED SUPPLY LEFT)!'
    [Mon Dec 05 16:30:15 2016] Faddun tells Luclin:1, 'WTS MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity and/or Arx Key with Shard of the Hand/Shard of the Shoulder/Head of the Inquisitor/etc. PST for more details on MQ options (LIMITED SUPPLY LEFT)!'
    [Mon Dec 05 17:02:39 2016] Phonon tells Luclin:2, 'WTS MQ - Robe of the Lost Circle'
    [Mon Dec 05 17:22:01 2016] Faddun tells Velious:2, 'WTS MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity and/or Arx Key with Shard of the Hand/Shard of the Shoulder/Head of the Inquisitor/etc. PST for more details on MQ options (LIMITED SUPPLY LEFT)!'
    [Mon Dec 05 17:32:16 2016] Faddun tells Velious:2, 'WTS MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity and/or Arx Key with Shard of the Hand/Shard of the Shoulder/Head of the Inquisitor/etc. PST for more details on MQ options (LIMITED SUPPLY LEFT)!'
    [Mon Dec 05 17:46:30 2016] Faddun tells Velious:2, 'WTS MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity and/or Arx Key with Shard of the Hand/Shard of the Shoulder/Head of the Inquisitor/etc. PST for more details on MQ options (LIMITED SUPPLY LEFT)!'
    [Mon Dec 05 18:09:00 2016] Faddun tells Velious:2, 'WTS MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity and/or Arx Key with Shard of the Hand/Shard of the Shoulder/Head of the Inquisitor/etc. PST for more details on MQ options (LIMITED SUPPLY LEFT)!'
    [Mon Dec 05 18:17:07 2016] Faddun tells Velious:2, 'WTS MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity and/or Arx Key with Shard of the Hand/Shard of the Shoulder/Head of the Inquisitor/etc. PST for more details on MQ options (LIMITED SUPPLY LEFT)!'
    [Tue Dec 06 08:49:55 2016] Rarlos auctions, 'WTS <> Rogue epic MQ must be level 46+'
    [Tue Dec 06 08:50:01 2016] Rarlos tells General:2, 'WTS rogue epic RAGEBRINGER MQ must be 46+ PST.'
    [Tue Dec 06 09:07:03 2016] Rarlos tells General:1, 'WTS rogue epic RAGEBRINGER MQ must be 46+ PST.'
    [Tue Dec 06 09:07:19 2016] Naviana tells General:1, 'WTB Staff of Elemental Mastery: Earth MQ'
    [Tue Dec 06 13:34:27 2016] Sweater auctions, 'WTB Coldain Military bracer MQ 6k'
    [Wed Dec 07 08:44:37 2016] Naviana says out of character, 'WTB Staff of Elemental Mastery: Earth MQ'
    [Thu Dec 08 09:25:39 2016] Faddun tells Luclin:1, 'WTS full MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity must have head of the inquisitor PST (1 set left)'
    [Thu Dec 08 09:38:28 2016] Faddun tells Luclin:1, 'WTS full MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity must have Head of the Inquisitor PST (1 set left)!'
    [Thu Dec 08 09:52:27 2016] Faddun tells Luclin:1, 'WTS full MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity must have Head of the Inquisitor PST (1 set left)!'
    [Thu Dec 08 10:06:28 2016] Faddun tells Luclin:1, 'WTS full MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity must have Head of the Inquisitor PST (1 set left)!'
    [Thu Dec 08 10:11:47 2016] Corbinn tells Luclin:1, 'WTS epic pieces MQ - Spiroc Wingblade- Staff of Elemental Mastery: Water-Ball of Everliving Golem-Swirling Sphere of Color-Robe of the Kedge'
    [Thu Dec 08 10:14:45 2016] Faddun tells Luclin:1, 'WTS full MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity must have Head of the Inquisitor PST (1 set left)!'
    [Thu Dec 08 10:32:53 2016] Faddun tells Luclin:1, 'WTS full MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity must have Head of the Inquisitor PST (1 set left)!'
    [Thu Dec 08 10:45:37 2016] Faddun tells Luclin:1, 'WTS full MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity must have Head of the Inquisitor PST (1 set left)!'
    [Thu Dec 08 11:02:44 2016] Faddun tells Luclin:1, 'WTS full MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity must have Head of the Inquisitor PST (1 set left)!'
    [Thu Dec 08 11:12:58 2016] Faddun tells Luclin:1, 'WTS full MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity must have Head of the Inquisitor PST (1 set left)!'
    [Thu Dec 08 11:27:10 2016] Faddun tells Luclin:1, 'WTS full MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity must have Head of the Inquisitor PST (1 set left)!'
    [Thu Dec 08 16:36:12 2016] Maximize tells Luclin:1, 'WTS MQ Robe of the Lost Circle 12kr'
    [Thu Dec 08 18:08:22 2016] Faddun tells Luclin:1, 'WTS full MQ for Sigil Earring of Veracity must have Head of the Inquisitor PST (1 set left)!'
    [Sat Dec 10 09:45:13 2016] Ticharary tells Luclin:1, 'you guys remember the MQ bug that allowed players to ghost under the world and kill bosses and trade no trade gear?  '
    [Sat Dec 10 09:47:13 2016] Maluvan tells Luclin:1, 'Selling Jboots MQ'
    [Sat Dec 10 09:49:59 2016] Maluvan tells Luclin:1, 'Selling Jboots MQ'
    [Sun Dec 11 14:10:37 2016] Ssaruman tells Wizard:1, 'Anyone possibly have the Torn Enchanted Silk Robe to MQ?'
    [Sun Dec 11 14:11:01 2016] Orenotrader tells Wizard:1, 'WTS Blue Crystal Staff MQ'
    [Mon Dec 12 10:06:44 2016] Fanin auctions, 'WTS Green Dragon Scales, Spell: Torpor, Wavecrasher, Child's Tear MQ (2kr)'
    [Mon Dec 12 10:13:45 2016] Fanin auctions, 'WTS Green Dragon Scales, Spell: Torpor, Wavecrasher, Child's Tear MQ (2kr)'
    [Mon Dec 12 10:22:24 2016] Fanin auctions, 'WTS Green Dragon Scales, Spell: Torpor, Wavecrasher, Child's Tear MQ (2kr)'
    [Mon Dec 12 10:28:14 2016] Fanin auctions, 'WTS Green Dragon Scales, Spell: Torpor, Wavecrasher, Child's Tear MQ (2kr)'
    [Mon Dec 12 20:37:01 2016] Bronzeboy tells luclin:1, 'BUYING Jboots MQ PST'
    [Wed Dec 14 15:51:06 2016] Eradikate tells Luclin:1, 'WTS Mage epic MQ, Shaman epic MQ.'
    [Sat Dec 17 09:06:15 2016] Clinkz auctions, 'selling Corroded Chain Leggings / Corroded Chain Tunic MQs - 12kp'
    [Sat Dec 17 10:51:40 2016] Rommie says out of character, 'WTB Pulsing Green Stone MQ PST'
    [Sat Dec 17 22:39:34 2016] Froogle tells Wizard:2, 'WTS Gnarled Staff Part of Wiz Epic MQ PST'
    [Sat Dec 17 22:43:14 2016] Froogle tells Wizard:2, 'WTS Gnarled Staff Part of Wiz Epic MQ PST'
    [Sat Dec 17 22:47:39 2016] Froogle tells Wizard:2, 'WTS Gnarled Staff Part of Wiz Epic MQ PST'
    [Sat Dec 17 22:59:48 2016] Froogle tells Wizard:2, 'WTS Gnarled Staff Part of Wiz Epic MQ PST@@@'
    [Tue Dec 20 13:43:10 2016] Fizzlez tells Luclin:1, 'WTB Torn Enchanted Silk Robe Loot Rights... or MQ (Wizard -my gems)'
    [Tue Dec 20 13:49:20 2016] Fizzlez tells Luclin:1, 'WTB Torn Enchanted Silk Robe Loot Rights... or MQ (Wizard -my gems)'
    [Wed Dec 21 09:40:22 2016] Elianna auctions, 'WTB Cleric SS armor MQ's for legs and chest, pst.'
    [Wed Dec 21 10:59:34 2016] Elianna auctions, 'WTB Cleric SS armor MQ's for legs and chest, pst.'
    [Tue Dec 27 10:13:56 2016] Kirondjyzer auctions, 'WTS MQ's : Robe of Kedge/Soul Leech/Decrepit Hide/Tainted Darksteel Breastplate/Chipped Fang/Teachings of Gkrean pst*'
    [Wed Dec 28 09:18:55 2016] Ouchies tells General:1, 'WTB rogue epic MQ'
    [Wed Dec 28 09:32:39 2016] Xarn tells General:1, 'wtb staff of elemental mastery water MQ'
    [Wed Dec 28 10:05:32 2016] Healingbot auctions, 'Selling Greaves of Forbidden Rites MQ 15k '
    [Wed Dec 28 15:32:23 2016] Parkcaster tells General:3, 'WTS MQ's Epic Items PST for list or what you need !!'
    [Thu Dec 29 14:42:04 2016] Sasukei says out of character, 'WTB Cloak of Spiroc Feathers MQ (Black Silk Cape drop from PoS)( I have other 2 parts) PST'
    [Thu Dec 29 14:49:02 2016] Sasukei says out of character, 'WTB Cloak of Spiroc Feathers MQ (Black Silk Cape drop from PoS)( I have other 2 parts) PST'
    [Fri Dec 30 09:21:24 2016] Stummp tells Luclin:2, 'Buying Thurgadin Rogue Armor MQ.  Need all pieces except for the legs'
    [Sun Jan 01 14:00:05 2017] Parkcaster tells General:1, 'WTS Epic Items MQ's many CLASS ! Pst for List or what you Need !!'
    [Sun Jan 01 14:17:02 2017] Parkcaster tells General:1, 'WTS Epic Items MQ's many CLASS ! Pst for List or what you Need !!'
    [Sun Jan 01 14:45:55 2017] Nicade tells General:1, 'trading Salindrite Dagger for rogue epic MQ + KR pst'
    [Tue Jan 03 20:39:54 2017] Stummp tells Luclin:3, 'Buying Rogue Thurgadin Armor MQ (All Except Legs)'
    [Tue Jan 03 22:48:11 2017] Maluvan tells General:1, 'WTS jboots MQ 3k'
    [Tue Jan 03 23:04:29 2017] Khadyn tells General:1, 'wts Full Monk Epic MQ'
    [Thu Jan 05 18:37:52 2017] Blasphemerr says out of character, 'WTB Shaman Epic MQ- Pst'
    [Sat Jan 07 12:15:20 2017] Froogle tells Wizard:1, 'WTS Gnarled Staff MQ, have faction PST'
    [Sat Jan 07 12:31:04 2017] Froogle tells Wizard:1, 'WTS Gnarled Staff MQ, have faction PST'
    [Sat Jan 07 12:46:46 2017] Froogle tells Wizard:1, 'WTS Gnarled Staff MQ, have faction PST'
    [Sat Jan 07 17:31:20 2017] Beethoven tells Luclin:4, 'WTS MQ Kedge Backbone'
    [Sun Jan 08 15:53:59 2017] Bause auctions, 'WTS Shadowed Rapier+Ring of the Ancients for Journeyman's Boots MQ'
    [Sun Jan 08 15:59:58 2017] Feppin auctions, 'Selling full cleric epic MQ, level 46+ requirement'
    [Mon Jan 09 15:56:27 2017] Innate tells Luclin:1, '***WTS Journeyman's BootsMQ 5k WTS***'
    [Mon Jan 09 16:01:40 2017] Innate tells Luclin:1, '***WTS Journeyman's BootsMQ 5k WTS***'
    [Mon Jan 09 16:56:16 2017] Tegellan tells Wizard:1, 'WTB  Silk Sleeves from Hot MQ or LR.. (Wizard)'
    [Tue Jan 10 15:56:38 2017] Gratefull tells General:5, 'WTB Trak Gut MQ PST'
    [Tue Jan 10 16:04:18 2017] Beethoven tells General:5, 'WTS MQ Kedge Backbone 2Kr OBO'
    [Tue Jan 10 16:06:41 2017] Philipe tells General:5, 'WTB Dark Cloak of the sky MQ - (fine velvet cloak off keeper of souls in posky) Paying mad kronos - halp !'
    [Wed Jan 11 16:11:44 2017] Melodias says out of character, 'anyone got chromodrac guts from skyfire to sell/MQ?'
    [Thu Jan 12 21:43:31 2017] Dolorr tells Velious:1, 'WTB Corroded Chain BP MQ/LR (Ranger - Thurg)'
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    [Fri Jan 13 09:27:55 2017] Dispersion tells Luclin:1, 'WTB Pegasus Feather Cloak for epic MQ'
    [Fri Jan 13 09:36:10 2017] Sellzyo auctions, 'WTS MQs for: Soul Leech, Dark Sword of Blood, Manisi Herb, Lord Bergurgle's Crown, Torn, Frost-covered Book, Ball of Everliving Golem PST'
    [Fri Jan 13 09:41:07 2017] Elidir auctions, 'WTS MQ Staff of Elemental Mastery: Water, Singed scroll, Ball of Everliving Golem, Soul leech'
    [Mon Jan 16 14:12:46 2017] Babyboy auctions, 'WTB Pulsing Green Stone MQ'
    [Mon Jan 16 15:31:21 2017] Babyboy auctions, 'WTB Pulsing Green Stone MQ'
    [Mon Jan 16 19:19:48 2017] Vladis tells Luclin:1, 'WTS MQ Lord Gimblox's Signet Ring'
    [Mon Jan 16 21:55:38 2017] Sigismund tells General:1, 'WTB Trakanon's Tooth MQ'
    [Mon Jan 16 22:11:45 2017] Cumdyil tells General:1, 'WTB JBoots MQ'
    [Mon Jan 16 22:34:49 2017] Allahoo tells General:1, 'WTB Jboots MQ'
    [Mon Jan 16 22:38:58 2017] Allahoo tells General:1, 'WTB JBoots MQ'
    [Mon Jan 16 22:44:32 2017] Allahoo tells General:1, 'WTB JBoots MQ'
    [Mon Jan 16 23:03:11 2017] Allahoo tells General:1, 'WTB Jboots MQ'
    [Mon Jan 16 23:03:16 2017] Allahoo tells Luclin:3, 'WTB JBoots MQ'
    [Tue Jan 17 16:45:59 2017] Wuggan tells Wizard:2, 'WTB Torn Enchanted Silk Robe MQ WIZARD PST My Gems. Name your price'
    [Tue Jan 17 19:52:40 2017] Serik tells Luclin:1, 'WTS Cleric Epic (Full MQ) 13KR -- Must be lvl 46+, turn-in takes ~10min'
    [Tue Jan 17 20:06:07 2017] Camgirl tells Luclin:1, 'anybody selling mage thurg chest/leg MQ?'
    [Tue Jan 17 20:45:46 2017] Serik tells Luclin:1, 'WTS Cleric Epic (Full MQ) 13KR -- Must be lvl 46+, turn-in takes ~10min'
    [Wed Jan 18 17:56:34 2017] Serik tells Luclin:3, 'WTS Cleric Epic (Full MQ) 12KR -- Must be lvl 46+, turn-in takes ~10min'
    [Thu Jan 19 08:19:44 2017] Arlos says out of character, 'WTS <> PST.'
    [Thu Jan 19 17:44:33 2017] Wuggan tells Wizard:2, 'WTB Torn Enchanted Silk Tobe MQ or LR ~ WIZARD; My Gems.  // WTB Full VP key MQ. PST'
    [Thu Jan 19 18:13:14 2017] Philipia auctions, 'WTS Coldain Military Wristguard MQ 7k - Lootable at lvl 1'
    [Sun Jan 22 14:57:18 2017] Alluvin tells Luclin:1, 'WTS MQ for Undead Dragongut Strings(for bard epic) 15krono OBO'
    [Thu Jan 26 09:01:48 2017] Parkcaster tells Luclin:1, 'WTS Full Cleric Epic MQ !! + Many Epic items for all Class !! Tell me what you need !! '
    [Thu Jan 26 09:16:04 2017] Parkcaster tells Luclin:1, 'WTS Full Cleric Epic MQ !! + Many Epic items for all Class !! Tell me what you need !! '
    [Thu Jan 26 09:28:02 2017] Parkcaster tells Luclin:1, 'WTS Full Cleric Epic MQ !! + Many Epic items for all Class !! Tell me what you need !! '
    [Thu Jan 26 09:38:34 2017] Parkcaster tells Luclin:1, 'WTS Full Cleric Epic MQ !! + Many Epic items for all Class !! Tell me what you need !! '
    [Thu Jan 26 09:50:41 2017] Parkcaster tells Luclin:1, 'WTS Full Cleric Epic MQ !! + Many Epic items for all Class !! Tell me what you need !! '
    [Thu Jan 26 10:01:22 2017] Parkcaster tells Luclin:1, 'WTS Full Cleric Epic MQ !! + Many Epic items for all Class !! Tell me what you need !! '
    [Thu Jan 26 12:15:11 2017] Rummp tells Luclin:3, 'WTB Thurgadin Warrior BP MQ'
    [Thu Jan 26 13:18:43 2017] Parkcaster tells Luclin:3, 'WTS Water Sprinkler of Nem Ankh MQ !! + Many Epic Items for ALL CLASS !! Tell me what you need :)'
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    To put some context around the krono (KR) prices... That offer by Serik from Jan 17, 2017, for a full Cleric Epic MQ for 13 Krono costs USD$234.

    Hopefully nothing even remotely like this will ever be in Pantheon.

    • 12 posts
    January 29, 2017 11:07 AM PST

    Well this is really a discussion on rather or not Bind on Equip should be part of the game, because that's what MQ'ing was, the earliest form of BoE. Game developers had careful control over what was MQ in EQ and was was not MQ and oftened made changes to this and tweaked it. 

    It's not like every quest was MQ'able in EQ just by accident, nothing could be father from the truth. A lot of thought went into what was maintained that way and what was allowed in subsequent expansions.

    The intermediate steps in large quest will likely need to have droppable too if the supply is limited and the mobs that drop them drop other things people want or there will be even more crying and whining. Either way everyone is not going to be happy. I liked classic style myself and hope to see pantheon stick with the old school way as much as possible with a little modernization on terminology and mechanics only where better ways have actually been found.

     

    What could be done that might make people happy is to make quest mobs Only drop no-drop quest items, but if that is the case good luck getting help with your quest, it will be doable, but only if you are part of a guild, which personally i would be cool with. Even then people will just "SELL LOOT RIGHTS" so MQ'ing doesnt make or break the problem  everyone doesnt like, its the nature of quest and limited supply... its what makes the game challenging and why choices matter in it.


    This post was edited by bert at January 29, 2017 12:17 PM PST
    • 144 posts
    January 29, 2017 12:03 PM PST

    Very much hoping MQ will not be a part of Pantheon, unless by way of an intended quest of some kind that requires MQing?


    This post was edited by Portalgun at January 29, 2017 12:03 PM PST
    • 213 posts
    January 29, 2017 8:04 PM PST

    I've always viewed multi-questing as a clear exploit because you're essentially gaming the system by skipping content and buying it from others.  My guess is the developers already know this and are planning ways to keep it from happening.  Or, at least that is my hope.   I can't imagine any dev wants a system that's easy to exploit because then your skipping content they worked their butts off to make for you.  Now, I'm not sure if they knew just how rampant it became in eq but thanks to Vjeks detailed post above I'm sure they are about to find out.  :).  In my opinion I really think the devs will be really smart about this going forward because they keep talking about how serious they are about making a challenge again and honestly there is just no room for that with Multi-Questing. 

    • 1921 posts
    January 30, 2017 7:50 AM PST

    bert said: ... What could be done that might make people happy is to make quest mobs Only drop no-drop quest items, but if that is the case good luck getting help with your quest, it will be doable, but only if you are part of a guild, which personally i would be cool with. Even then people will just "SELL LOOT RIGHTS" so MQ'ing doesnt make or break the problem  everyone doesnt like, its the nature of quest and limited supply... its what makes the game challenging and why choices matter in it.

    Some solutions many other games have used are:

    1) Don't have hand-in quest items.  The NPC checks your inventory (or even a special quest inventory, entirely separate from your "real" inventory) at the time of turn in, and removes all the items after you say the right thing.  MQ'ing by design is impossible, because it's an all or nothing check & commit, with atomic states in modern engines.

    2) Have all quest items be personal loot.  Then there's no selling looting rights.  Either you loot it or it doesn't exist.  No-one else can loot it because no-one else can see it.

    Visionary Realms would have to take a huge step backward in quest design/coding to even permit MQ'ing in Unity, which makes no sense to me.  But then again, I am very small. ;)

    Personally, I see drop rates of 0.01% [not 1% (1 in 100), not 0.1% (1 in 1000), but 0.01%] as being the root of the problem that drives people to MQ'ing.  If I have to loot 10,000 times to get a chance at something?  Sorry, but that's too rare.  I see no value in that level of grind and punishment.  It's also why I'm a big proponent of upgrade currency and an LDON type loot/gear system for Pantheon, at launch. 

    Heck, if you want to do something really innovative?  Create quest reward widgets that are used to upgrade and/or customize quested items/gear/loot/spells/skills.  That way, doing every quest is of value, no matter how long it's been in the game.

    EDIT: two typos! curse you, keyboard, curse you.


    This post was edited by vjek at January 30, 2017 7:54 AM PST
    • 65 posts
    April 3, 2017 5:21 PM PDT

    Gamerchick said:

    I've always viewed multi-questing as a clear exploit because you're essentially gaming the system by skipping content and buying it from others.  My guess is the developers already know this and are planning ways to keep it from happening.  Or, at least that is my hope.   I can't imagine any dev wants a system that's easy to exploit because then your skipping content they worked their butts off to make for you.  Now, I'm not sure if they knew just how rampant it became in eq but thanks to Vjeks detailed post above I'm sure they are about to find out.  :).  In my opinion I really think the devs will be really smart about this going forward because they keep talking about how serious they are about making a challenge again and honestly there is just no room for that with Multi-Questing. 

    This is pretty much how I feel about twinking.

    Iksar said:

    No MQing please. Too much potential to lock down certain drops and charge access for them.

    What makes this different from locking down an npc who drops specific gear that is valuable and tradable?

    Pyye said:

    I would not like to see MQ'ing available in Pantheon.  I would like to believe a character will have a long, meaningful journey in Pantheon, and simply getting a key piece from somebody else to bypass a part of the journey does not make sense.

    I guess I don't understand why you hold quest items to be more sacred than gear. Why is it bad to buy a quest item but it is not bad to have gear that would otherwise be unattainable at your level? Isn't getting a lvl 50 sword and wearing it your entire life bypassing part of the journey as well?

    • 1303 posts
    April 3, 2017 6:31 PM PDT

    torveld said:

    Pyye said:

    I would not like to see MQ'ing available in Pantheon.  I would like to believe a character will have a long, meaningful journey in Pantheon, and simply getting a key piece from somebody else to bypass a part of the journey does not make sense.

    I guess I don't understand why you hold quest items to be more sacred than gear. Why is it bad to buy a quest item but it is not bad to have gear that would otherwise be unattainable at your level? Isn't getting a lvl 50 sword and wearing it your entire life bypassing part of the journey as well?

    If the quest item is droppable it's no different at all. If the quest item is no drop it's quite obviously intended that you attain that thru attending the associated encounters. There needs to be some content that is gated by the requirement to attend, or no items have significant lasting meaning. But not all items can be that, and not all items should. To do so would cripple any in game player driven economy, which is an aspect of play many (myself included) find to be critically important.