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The Berserker

    • 37 posts
    September 22, 2016 4:47 PM PDT

    This is a class, that everyone was hopeful for in Vanguard that did not make it in (Reason I made my Orc Warrior, after confirmation of it not making it to game).

     

    I am hoping that this time, the "SECRET" class will be this class, I can see myself playing a Ogre Beserker, dual wielding big bad Ogre, destroying everything in site...."Drools"

     

    Developers, make it so!

    • 16 posts
    January 28, 2017 3:09 PM PST

    Hello Gomok,

     

    While I've never played the Berserker in VG, I played the Berserker in EQ2, and I would definentily love to see that type of AE tank. I had such a great time being the lower mit tank, but had such great utility and CD's. I actually log into my EQ2 character every once in awhile, just so I can gibe a bunch of mobs! 

     

    I have played the EQ Berserker, which I didn't find as fun being a dps versus a tank, but if they develop a class like the EQ2 Berserker I would be very open to a DPS Berserker.

     

    Khorben

    • 246 posts
    January 29, 2017 2:07 PM PST

    I'm opposite, loved the eq berserker, hated the EQ2 berserker. VG berserker was supposed to be a DPS dynamo too, not a tank.

     

     

    • 54 posts
    January 29, 2017 3:00 PM PST

    I'd love a berserker class! But I think he shouldn't be an actual (off)tank, but a DPS that relies on gaining buffs the lower his healthmeter is and mechanics to infuse his health into his attacks for extra punch.

    • 246 posts
    January 29, 2017 3:07 PM PST

    sebbulba said:

    I'd love a berserker class! But I think he shouldn't be an actual (off)tank, but a DPS that relies on gaining buffs the lower his healthmeter is and mechanics to infuse his health into his attacks for extra punch.

     

    From what I recall that was the gist of the VG berserker plans and it's implementation is why it didn't make the cut (along with the custom mechanics for the psionic tank/Jedi/awesome sounding Inquisitor)

    • 16 posts
    February 2, 2017 4:04 PM PST

    I think we all have fond memories of what the Berserker class was, and in each game it's a bit different. I am very biased when it comes to the EQ2 Zerker, cause well I loved the abilities. I guess we will all have to wait and see if this is a class introduced or not, but I would be more interested in having another tank to play. I am sure there will be tons of dps/utility classes eventually. I generally find that tanks are generally in smaller class numbers, but if it turns out it's a dps for ya'll I'm sure ya'll will love it! I would just find another tank to play, but I would miss the EQ2 zerker the entire time lol.

     

     

    Khorben

    • 29 posts
    April 28, 2017 10:46 PM PDT

    There is a lack of physical warrior-type classes on the class list. We have Warrior and Dire Lord to fill those rolls. It's very possible that Berserker or something similar could be tossed in, especially taking into consideration that the next two classes are already confirmed to be MORE casters/caster hybrids with Bard and Necromancer.
    I haven't looked into the Dire Lord class too much, and I know most of what's out there is speculation, but I figured it'd be a tank. I could be wrong.
    I'd love to see a warrior-type class that isn't expected to tank and instead acts as DPS.

    • 2 posts
    April 29, 2017 8:59 PM PDT

    EQ1 Berseker please omg... was my favorite class of all time. Most likely why i was top 3 on magelo with mine for 7 years


    A 2handed melee DPS class really would be amazing. Usually when this sort of class is just a off shoot of say a warrior, its mostly never done right because of balancing issues.

    • 22 posts
    May 4, 2017 10:43 AM PDT

    Diamond said:

    EQ1 Berseker please omg... was my favorite class of all time. Most likely why i was top 3 on magelo with mine for 7 years


    A 2handed melee DPS class really would be amazing. Usually when this sort of class is just a off shoot of say a warrior, its mostly never done right because of balancing issues.

    Yes please, EQ1 style berserker, I've always been a fan of a large two handed weapon wielding maniac. So long in EQ I ran two handed weapons​ on my warrior before the berserker went live.

    • 84 posts
    November 8, 2017 9:55 AM PST

    EQ1 berserker had its flaws. 

    Honestly, I would like to see Berserker if implemented draw more influence from the D&D 5E barbarians. More the ability to negate/shrug off some status ailments and do some crazy crits. Deciding the tankability will be a key balancing point and if there is room in that class role or not. 

    At the end of the day, the need is to have a clear class identity and if it can be realized in the pantheon world. 

    • 2038 posts
    November 8, 2017 11:19 AM PST

    I would absolutely love a Berserker class, DPS.

     

    Fill them up with mechanics/abilities surrounding their current HP, give them some attacks that also do damage to themselves (since they won't be tanking and you don't want them having to run "into the fire" in fights) or even a "cover" like tank ability to take part of a hit for someone here and there, add some life stealing attacks/self buffs, some damage & debuff shrugging abilities including a last stand type ability granting immunity to death for x seconds. But they should be very light on all other roles beyond DPS & self buffing healing, CC their next best group utility with no hard cc like roots/sleep/mez/stun etc, only movement/attack/casting slows, disarms, blinds (POCKET SAND!), and interrupts.

    • 133 posts
    June 24, 2018 9:17 AM PDT
    gotta have Barserkers or Barbarians
    • 290 posts
    October 20, 2018 7:18 PM PDT

    A.K.A. Dire Lord - You're welcome.

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    October 20, 2018 9:25 PM PDT

    Darch said:

    A.K.A. Dire Lord - You're welcome.

     

    The DL is only a berserker for thoses disappointed of not having a plate wearing SK. You can claim it on as much topic as you want, nothing in the Direlord lore, toolkit and flavour does imply a berserker.

     

    If it's only a matter of "Mail and two handers", heck that's ridiculous.


    This post was edited by MauvaisOeil at October 21, 2018 2:19 PM PDT
    • 290 posts
    October 21, 2018 5:59 PM PDT

    MauvaisOeil said:

    Darch said:

    A.K.A. Dire Lord - You're welcome.

     

    The DL is only a berserker for thoses disappointed of not having a plate wearing SK. You can claim it on as much topic as you want, nothing in the Direlord lore, toolkit and flavour does imply a berserker.

     

    If it's only a matter of "Mail and two handers", heck that's ridiculous.

    The DL is a berserker for anyone that has played one before Mauv... A mail tank that can only use slashing weapons, can't use shields and has abilities like:

    Aggressive Defense
    Grants the berserker spell resistance, and a chance to counter attack with increased hate towards any opponent that damages the berserker in melee

    Blood Rage
    When the berserker receives melee damage in combat they have a chance to be healed for a small amount.

    Raging Blow
    A melee attack that increases the target's hate towards the berserker if it hits

    The only thing they've added is the ability to dual wield and some flavor abilities, but the concept of a chain wearing tank that deals damage with slashing weapons to hold threat and heal themselves is the same... which is why I say they should just make the DL a DPS/Offtank role and maybe increase their offensive abilities, as well as change their threat over time generation skill to allow a damage mitigator to take over tanking when needed.


    This post was edited by Darch at October 21, 2018 6:06 PM PDT
    • 1163 posts
    October 21, 2018 6:18 PM PDT

    Don't get me wrong or take it as an harassment but :

     

    EQ1, EQ2 and Pantheon ar far to be the same line, I'll just take a little time to get some things clear:

     

    -EQ1's berzerker was a DPS, and that's what people refer to when they speak about it, at least on this topic, it's release was late in the Gates of Discord Xpac, far away from "the vision" of Brad and Verant, it was a Mail wearing DPS, it was using exclusively two handers and it's main skill was called Flurry, a instant two-to-three melee attacks, able to critical hit. Pretty much like a big front stab not depending of your position. It featured melee only abilities with little technique, and a serie of special "Axe throw" attacks costing axe components that where very expensive to craft but allowed the class to snare or stun the ennemy. It was sometimes used as an XP tank due to their powerfull threat generation (ranger flame lick like) with a good HP pool and DPS, probably faster kill rate than a warrior but more squishy and less proc dependant for threat (if played as a tank). It however, had absolutely no magic, no displacement, and no way to heal itself.

    -EQ2's berzerker was a TANK oriented on the dps side of the spectrum. Wearing PLATE and able to use two handers as much as dual wield and shield. However, at the countrary of the Guardian, it's more defensive pendant, it was unable to use a tower shield, the biggest shield on the defensive side, and relied on Berzerk procs for a high passive boost to damage generation. What you linked are basically, a cooldown, a reactive healing (EQ2s mark of fabric), and a hate attack.

    -Pantheon's direlord is a TANK, oriented on the dps side of the spectrum (I think?). Wearing Heavy mail (or simply MAIL, whatever) and specialized in taking magic damage, using no shield and going all agressive. However it features a lot of spells including displacement, debuff spread, poison reckoning, spell absorbs, magic consumption, buff consumption and a ressource to generate and manage with a lot of self healing either by burst or hot.

     

    Frankly, there is nothing between EQ1's zerk but mail and 2two hander, and nothing between EQ2's zerk but tank and probably offensive. The paladin itself seem as much offensive as EQ2's zerker and he does use two handers too with plate, he is far more close to a EQ2 berzerker on thoses regards.

     

    Pantheon's "EQ2 zerker" will be exactly what was classic EQ1 Zerker : A warrior opting out of a shield and using offensive spells, buffs, and critical hits to smack it's foes (Remember, EQ1 warrior had a "berzerker rage" when low life landing critical hits of 200% bonus damage instead of 100%.)

     

    Edit : super typo of the sleepy guy. Thanks "the haunting of hill house" show for killing my desire to stop watching you.


    This post was edited by MauvaisOeil at October 22, 2018 9:10 AM PDT
    • 372 posts
    October 22, 2018 8:04 AM PDT

    MauvaisOeil said: or take it as an acharnment

    Careful...  your french is showing :-)

    I personally try to avoid comparing one games classes to another games classes, even when they share the same name. For example, EQ1 druids and Pantheon druids are totally different classes, and as such I make an effort to not try and compare them. All I need to know is that Pantheon Druids are a Healer and focus on what abilities they are going to get. It doesn't matter what the EQ1 Druids had for spells, since they are a totally different class.

    As for the 'Is Dire Lord a Berserker' debate. They are not. It's more about, will the Dire Lord have the abilities that I liked from the Berserker I played in another game. Maybe some of those abilities will be the same, but maybe some will not.

    As for the 'Should Pantheon have Berserker class' debate. I think it totally depends on how it will fit into the current lineup. If they can make it unique enough that it isn't just a slightly different Dire Lord, then maybe. But if all people want is a DPS version of the Dire Lord, then it's likely never going to happen.

    • 1163 posts
    October 22, 2018 9:04 AM PDT

    My bad. I often write posts at wake up or before going to sleep and end up spelling words and expressions with less english and more phonetic of french than I would like. Correcting myself now.

     

    I think I should have also ended my post by a two question conclusion :

     

    -Do you break down the berserker as a Dps oriented tank, then yes the direlord might be a good replacement.

    -Do you break it down to a melee rampaging dps, then no it won't be a good replacement.

     

     

    But on the gameplay or flavour side, they are all three very different.

    • 2038 posts
    October 22, 2018 12:14 PM PDT

    Yeah, almost nothing about DL fits a berserker to me. Berserker to me are a leather (or less) wearing DPS class that goes into states of rage to harness increased DPS (stronger the lower HP goes), the word literally means bear-shirt (or bare-shirt depending on who translates). Someone in their own trance like rage in battle is far from someone with the control/awareness of a tank archetype, let alone would having to maintain low health percentages to be near fully effective be a good/enjoyable thing for the tank/healer dynamic.