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    • 344 posts
    October 25, 2018 5:00 AM PDT

    I think the Lord argument can be applied to other classes as well to some degree. If you're a freshly created Sorceror with two spells to your name, does that seem worthy of the title "Sorceror"? At best that sounds like an apprentice of some sort. Unfortunately the same name needs to apply throughout an entire rags to riches story, so we need to be a bit lenient.

    I might like to see changing class titles every 10 levels or so, but it might not work out well. Like Sorceror's Apprentice, Sorceror's Initiate, etc. (might be tough to come up with 5 good versions for each class).  I'm a huge fan of the EQ style progression where you start out barely being able to kill bats, snakes, and rats, but others want a more heroic start to their story and I heard many people complain about that.

    • 1228 posts
    October 25, 2018 11:00 AM PDT

    Ainadak said:

    I think the Lord argument can be applied to other classes as well to some degree. If you're a freshly created Sorceror with two spells to your name, does that seem worthy of the title "Sorceror"? At best that sounds like an apprentice of some sort. Unfortunately the same name needs to apply throughout an entire rags to riches story, so we need to be a bit lenient.

    I might like to see changing class titles every 10 levels or so, but it might not work out well. Like Sorceror's Apprentice, Sorceror's Initiate, etc. (might be tough to come up with 5 good versions for each class).  I'm a huge fan of the EQ style progression where you start out barely being able to kill bats, snakes, and rats, but others want a more heroic start to their story and I heard many people complain about that.

     

    Not really as problematic to me. A Sorcerer, a Magician, are all basic roles. There are titles like Archmage, Warlock, Spellbinder or such that can really illustrate the improvement from a basic class to an advanced state of the same school.

    • 2106 posts
    October 25, 2018 4:36 PM PDT

     

    In Star Wars there were Sith Lords, which was anyone who followed the Sith tradition. Masters and apprentices alike were called lords. 

     

    That said, whose to say there aren't more prestigious titles for more seasoned dire lords? Even if there aren't, when I see someone doing very well at something I might think "dang that person is a pro!" but that doesn't mean they are. If I were a common person and saw someone performing the arts of a dire lord I would likely think to myself "Woah a dire lord!" regardless of if in reality they were just a dire whelp, because compared to me they would be unbelieveable. 

    • 335 posts
    October 30, 2018 11:01 PM PDT

    /sing

    Scourge is an awesome suggestion, MauvaisOeil!


    This post was edited by Alexander at October 30, 2018 11:23 PM PDT
    • 367 posts
    November 1, 2018 1:33 PM PDT

    In my "opinion" Knights should wear full plate and be able to use shields.  The DL comes off as more of a beserker to me... maybe a more appropriate name would be Revenant or Reaper, or Blood Reaper, Blood Lord... something to do with their ability to manipulate life force in a masochistic combat style.

    Scourge is decent too.


    This post was edited by Darch at November 1, 2018 1:34 PM PDT
    • 16 posts
    January 10, 2019 5:55 AM PST

    I actually like the Dire Lord name.
    Lord means to rule over certain domain. Like Iksar mention in the case of Star wars when all members following a particular tradition were called lord regardless of their ability or rank.

    And you could argue the same aby Paladin or Knights. Nobody starts as a Knight nor a Paladin. I don't understand why it is such a problem for the DL case.

    • 3 posts
    January 14, 2019 11:34 AM PST

    I think Alexander's thematics in the beginning were in the right place (Calling someone a Lord and having them slay tavern rats)

     

    However I think a lot of the dialogue, at least what I remember of playing EQOA, was quest givers recognizing and speaking to you as to what you aspire to be, not technically what you currently are.

    EG: Hail xxx. So you call yourself a Dire Lord do you? Well all expert Dire Lords had to start somewhere. Show that you're worth your salt and slay these tavern rats and maybe then we can move on to a more difficult challenge.

    • 16 posts
    January 16, 2019 8:49 AM PST

    The exact same can be said for any classes names though.

    You think you are a Knight or a Paladin? Do some good and slay rats.
    You are a Warrior, you know how to fight huh? Just go kills rats for now.
    Ho you are a rogue, ... I guess you can kill your brethren in the sewers (filthy rats).
    The Druid? ha you can only speak to rats for now?
    How about a cleric smiting unholy heretic rats?


    I mean it's more a problem of how ridiculous the MMO beginning are and is not tied to any class names. I still don't see the different with specifically the Dire Lord.


    This post was edited by Khraag at January 16, 2019 10:08 AM PST